The Kamloops Indian Residential School story is yet another RCC atrocity

 The Kamloops Indian Residential School story is a stark example of what you've titled your post: religion's good, bad, and ugly — all present in one tragic system.

Let me offer a respectful commentary, not to diminish the horror, but to reflect on what this means in light of our earlier conversation about Scripture, truth, and religious authority.

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The Good

At its best, Christianity (and any religious tradition) calls people to:

• Love the stranger and the vulnerable (Leviticus 19:34)

• Defend the orphan, the widow, the oppressed (Isaiah 1:17)

• See every human as made in the image of God (Genesis 1:27)

• Repent of sin and seek justice (Micah 6:8)

The same Catholic Church that ran Kamloops also produced saints like Damien of Molokai who served the outcast, and missionaries who defended Indigenous peoples against colonial brutality. The good is real.

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The Bad

The residential school system was not an accident. It was deliberate policy with stated goals: "to kill the Indian in the child."

The "bad" here includes:

• Forced removal of children from families

• Forbidden native languages and cultures

• Physical, emotional, and sexual abuse

• Neglect that led to thousands of preventable deaths

• Deliberate erasure of identity

And critically: this was done in the name of Christ.

When Pope Francis apologized in 2022, he rightly called it a "sinful failure" and "devastation" — not just of bodies, but of souls. The Church used its authority not to protect the vulnerable, but to enforce assimilation.

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The Ugly

The "ugly" is what happens when religious certainty meets state power and racial superiority.

The same confidence that led earlier Christians to say "the Trinity is the central mystery of faith" — that absolute, unquestionable certainty — was turned into: "Your Indigenous spirituality is demonic. Your language is animal. Your children belong to us."

There is a direct line between:

• Believing you possess the only full truth

• Believing others must be converted even against their will

• Believing the ends justify coercive means

This is not merely bad execution of good religion. It is the logic of imperialism wearing a cross.

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A Hard Question for Christians (and for our earlier debate)

In our earlier exchange, I argued from the Torah that Trinitarianism is impossible on Torah terms. You responded with Catholic teaching that the Trinity is a mystery beyond reason.

Now I must ask a different question — not about doctrine, but about moral fruit:

If the Trinity (or any doctrine) is truly from God, why has it so often been used to justify cruelty, forced assimilation, and cultural genocide?

• The same Catholic hierarchy that defined the Trinity at Nicaea (325 AD) and Constantinople (381 AD) also ran Kamloops for nearly a century.

• The same priests who celebrated Mass in Latin beat Indigenous children for speaking their own language.

• The same bishops who taught "God is Love" ignored or covered up abuse.

Jesus said: "You will know them by their fruits" (Matthew 7:16).
By that standard — not theological cleverness, but actual historical fruit — the residential school system is a counter-testimony to the claim that Christianity, as an institution, carries divine truth.

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A Torah Perspective on This

The Torah repeatedly commands justice for the ger (foreigner/sojourner) and the vulnerable:

"You shall not wrong a sojourner or oppress him, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt." (Exodus 22:21)

"There shall be one law for the native and for the stranger who sojourns among you." (Exodus 12:49)

The residential school system violated every single one of these commands. It did not treat Indigenous children as neighbors. It treated them as problems to be solved by erasure.

A Torah-observant Jew would look at Kamloops and say: This is not the fruit of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. This is the fruit of empire dressed in religious clothing.

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Final Reflection

You titled your post well: The good, the bad, and the ugly.
Kamloops is not the whole story of Christianity. But it cannot be erased or minimized. It must be faced.

For anyone who believes in a God of truth and justice, Kamloops demands:

• Honest confession, not denial

• Repentance, not defensiveness

• Concrete restitution, not just words

• Structural change, not symbolic gestures

The Tk’emlúps te Secwépemc Nation and all survivors deserve nothing less.

It is a necessary reminder that religious claims — including claims about divine mysteries like the Trinity — must be tested not only by Scripture, but by their moral fruit in history.

Study the Torah and see for yourself that every NT benefit were always available to Torah observant Jews

Below is a point-by-point refutation of the claims in a  recent Facebook post, using only the Torah (Genesis–Deuteronomy).

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Core Contradiction: "Without Jesus, No Heaven"

The claim: "A soul cannot enter Heaven without Jesus Christ."

Torah refutation: The Torah never mentions "Heaven" as the destination of righteous human souls. It never says anyone must go through a Messiah named Jesus to enter God's presence after death. In fact:

• Enoch – Genesis 5:24: "Enoch walked with God, and he was not, for God took him." No Jesus. No Gospel of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Yet Enoch was taken.

• Noah – Genesis 6:8: "Noah found grace in the eyes of YHWH." No Jesus. No cross. No resurrection.

• Abraham – Genesis 15:6: "He believed in YHWH, and He counted it to him as righteousness." No Messiah named Jesus. No death/burial/resurrection.

The Torah presents faith in YHWH alone as sufficient for righteousness and divine acceptance.

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Point-by-Point Refutation

1. Realize the Ruin of Man (Sin)

The claim: "Sin corrupted humanity… spiritual death rules the lost."

Torah response: Agreed. Genesis 3 and Genesis 6:5 describe human sin thoroughly. But the Torah's solution is repentance, sacrifice, and obedience to commandments — not faith in a crucified Messiah.

• Leviticus 4 – Sins are atoned through blood sacrifices of animals, not a human sacrifice.

• Deuteronomy 30:11-14 – The commandment is not too difficult nor far away. It is in their mouth and heart to do. No need for a dying/rising Messiah.

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2. Recognize the Redeemer (Jesus crucified/risen)

The claim: "Christ died for our sins… rose again."

Torah refutation: The Torah explicitly rejects the idea that a human being can die for another's sins:

Deuteronomy 24:16 – "Fathers shall not be put to death because of children, nor children because of fathers; each shall be put to death for his own sin."

Likewise, atonement in Torah comes through animal blood (Leviticus 17:11), not through the death of a righteous human. A crucified Messiah would be considered cursed (Deuteronomy 21:22-23) — not a means of salvation.

Resurrection: The Torah never teaches that a dead Messiah will rise from the dead. The Torah says: "You shall not add to the word" (Deuteronomy 4:2). The entire death/burial/resurrection narrative is absent from the Torah.

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3. Receive Salvation by Faith Alone

The claim: "Faith is the only requirement."

Torah refutation: Faith is required, but not alone. The Torah repeatedly ties salvation/blessing to obedient action:

• Leviticus 18:5 – "You shall keep My statutes… which if a man does, he shall live by them."

• Deuteronomy 30:15-16 – "See, I have set before you today life and good… to love YHWH, to walk in His ways, to keep His commandments."

Abraham's faith (Genesis 15:6) was accompanied by obedience (Genesis 22, Genesis 26:5). The Torah knows nothing of a "faith alone" salvation apart from works of the Law.

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4. Rest in the Security of Christ

The claim: "Believers are sealed… kept forever… eternal life cannot be lost."

Torah refutation: The Torah presents conditional security. Blessing and life in the land depend on continued obedience:

• Deuteronomy 28 – Blessings for obedience, curses for disobedience.

• Deuteronomy 30:17-18 – "If your heart turns away… you will surely perish."

No "eternal security" regardless of behavior. No sealing by a Holy Spirit guaranteeing final salvation apart from ongoing faithfulness.

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5. Reject Religious Confusion (against rituals, law)

The claim: "Rituals cannot redeem… ceremonies cannot remove sin."

Torah refutation: This directly contradicts the Torah, where God Himself commanded rituals and ceremonies for atonement:

• Leviticus 16 – The Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur) with specific rituals to remove sin.

• Leviticus 4:20 – "The priest shall make atonement for them, and they will be forgiven."

If rituals cannot redeem, then God commanded a lie in Leviticus. The Torah says they do atone. Your position calls Moses and God liars.

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6. Remain Rooted in Grace

The claim: "Grace is not a license to sin… keep the Gospel of Grace."

Torah refutation: The Torah contains grace abundantly, but never as a replacement for commandments:

• Exodus 34:6-7 – YHWH is "compassionate, gracious, slow to anger, abounding in lovingkindness… forgiving iniquity."

• But that same grace requires repentance and obedience (Deuteronomy 10:12-13).

The Torah's "grace" does not create a new dispensation independent of the Law. It operates within the covenant of commandments.

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7. Reach Others with the Gospel (of Christ's death/resurrection)

The claim: "Preach the Gospel… Christ died for sins."

Torah refutation: The Torah commands no such message. The message of Torah is:

"Hear, O Israel: YHWH our God, YHWH is one. Love YHWH with all your heart… Keep His commandments, statutes, and judgments." (Deuteronomy 6:4-5, Deuteronomy 6:17)

The "good news" (gospel) in Torah is entering the Promised Land and living in covenant faithfulness, not a crucified and risen Messiah dying for sins.

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Addressing Your Closing Statement

"Study the Torah and see for yourself that every NT benefit were always available to Torah observant Jews."

Let me test this with specific "NT benefits" from your outline:

NT Benefit	Available in Torah?	Torah Evidence
Salvation through faith in a crucified Messiah	No	Deuteronomy 24:16 (no death for another's sin); Deuteronomy 21:22-23 (hanged = cursed)
Eternal life in Heaven after death	No	Sheol is the destination; no "heaven" for human souls
Resurrection of the dead	No	Torah does not promise resurrection
Forgiveness without animal sacrifice	No	Leviticus 17:11 – blood atones; no forgiveness without sacrifice
Indwelling Holy Spirit as seal	No	Spirit comes upon specific leaders temporarily (Numbers 11:25), not all believers permanently
Salvation by faith alone, apart from works of Law	No	Leviticus 18:5 – "do and live"

Conclusion from Torah-only perspective: The NT benefits you list are not found in the Torah. A Torah-observant Jew does not have those benefits — because those benefits are not part of the Torah's covenant.

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Final Summary

From a purely Torah-only perspective:

1. Jesus is not necessary – Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Moses were accepted without him.

2. Death/burial/resurrection of a Messiah is not the Gospel – The Torah's good news is covenant faithfulness.

3. Faith alone does not save – Obedience to commandments is required.

4. Animal sacrifices atone – Not a human sacrifice.

5. No eternal security – Blessings are conditional.

6. No resurrection doctrine – Death is largely final (save Enoch as exception).

7. Heaven is not the promised reward – Long life in the land is.

Your challenge stands: If the Torah is God's eternal, perfect, unchanging covenant, then the entire message you preached — "Without Jesus, no heaven" — is false, because the Torah never says it and the Torah's own heroes entered God's favor without it.

Where exactly does Moses speak about Jesus and what does he say

 The Facebook question posed by 119 Ministries hits the "Logical Core" of the entire biblical debate. If the New Testament is a "Technical Patch" or "Upgrade," it must have a Compatible Hash in the original Source Code—the Torah (Moses).

From a Sinai perspective, Moses does not speak about a "Jesus" who abolishes the Law; he speaks about the Functional Offices that the Messiah must fulfill to be legally valid.

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1. The "Prophet Like Me" Protocol

The most direct "System Requirement" for the Messiah is found in Deuteronomy 18:15-18.

• The Law: "The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken."

• The Technicality: To be "like Moses," the individual must be a Law-Giver and a Mediator between the Creator and the Assembly (Qahal).

• The Compatibility Check: If someone claims to be this prophet but tells you the Law of Moses is "done away with," they fail the "Like Moses" test. They become a "Deuteronomy 13 Prophet" (a False Prophet).

2. The "Seed of the Woman" (Genesis 3:15)

Moses records the first Physical Defense Protocol against the Adversary.

• The Code: The "Seed of the Woman" will crush the head of the Serpent.

• The Technicality: This establishes that the solution to the "Death Bug" in the human system must come through a Biological Lineage. It anchors the Messiah to a physical, earthly genealogy starting with the first book of Moses.

3. The "Shiloh" Scepter (Genesis 49:10)

Moses records the Jurisdictional Grant for the Kingdom.

• The Code: "The scepter shall not depart from Judah... until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be."

• The Technicality: Moses identifies the specific Tribe (Judah) that holds the "Operating License" for the Kingdom. Any candidate for Messiah must technically prove their link to this specific tribe to have any legal standing in the Sinai OS.

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4. The "Brazen Serpent" and the "Passover Lamb" (The Symbolic UI)

Moses provides the Visual Interface for how the "Redemption" works.

• The Passover Lamb (Exodus 12): A substitute that protects the "House" from the Judgment.

• The Serpent on the Pole (Numbers 21): A "Look and Live" mechanism for those bitten by the "Serpent" (Sin).

• The Sinai Reality: These are not "mystical hints"; they are Technical Shadows. They show that the Creator uses physical substitutes to bridge the gap between Law and Mercy.

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Comparison: Where Moses Speaks of Him

Moses' Writing (The Code)	The Messianic Requirement (The Function)
Deut 18:15	Must be a Prophetic Law-Giver.
Gen 49:10	Must come from the Tribe of Judah.
Exodus 12	Must act as a National Substitute (Passover).
Gen 22:18	Must be the "Seed" that Blesses all Nations.

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The "Justice" Verdict

When the verse says, "If you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?" it is issuing a Hardware Warning.

• The Deception: Many people follow a "Jesus" they found in a 21st-century "Grace" post, but they don't know the Moses Code.

• The Reality: If you don't understand the Sacrificial System, the Tribal Rights, and the Covenantal Laws that Moses wrote, you are following a "Ghost" without a "Body."

• The Conclusion: Moses wrote the Technical Manual. If the "Word" doesn't match the "Manual," the Word is an unauthorized script.

Monday Night: 

In the 2026 climate, as you look at the covenant database, remember that "Authority" is always based on Original Documentation. Just as a land deed in America is only valid if it traces back to the original registry, the Messiah is only valid if he traces back to the Books of Moses.

To evaluate why a critic would argue that Jesus fails the "Like Unto Moses" test (Deuteronomy 18:15), we have to look at the Technical Specifications of Moses' life versus the narrative of Jesus. From a strict Torah-observant or "Sinai Source Code" perspective, the discrepancies are not just minor—they are Critical System Errors.

Here is the technical breakdown of why Jesus is often viewed as a "System Mismatch" for the prophecy of Moses.

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1. The "Like Unto Me" Jurisdictional Failure

The prophecy requires the new Prophet to be "Like Moses." In the Sinai OS, Moses is defined by several Hardware Specs that Jesus does not mirror:

• Political Leadership: Moses was the head of a physical government, a judge, and a military commander who organized a nation. Jesus was a wandering teacher who explicitly stated, "My kingdom is not of this world" (John 18:36). From a Torah perspective, a "Prophet like Moses" must exercise Civil Authority.

• Family & Lineage: Moses was a husband and a father with a clear, undisputed human lineage. The "Virgin Birth" narrative of Jesus creates a Genealogical Conflict. If he has no biological father, he has no legal claim to the Tribe of Judah (which passes through the father), making him "Unlike Moses" in the most basic tribal sense.

• Physical Presence: Moses lived to be 120, his eyes were not dim, and his natural force was not abated. He died a natural death and was buried by God. Jesus died young, as a criminal under a foreign power (Rome). In the Sinai OS, a "Failed Messiah" who is executed by Gentiles does not meet the "Moses" profile of National Deliverance.

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2. The "Law-Giver" vs. "Law-Changer" Conflict

The most "vicious" failure cited by critics involves the Integrity of the Code.

• The Moses Protocol: Moses brought a Law that he declared was "Eternal" and "Perpetual" for all generations.

• The Jesus Problem: Jesus is perceived as having "added to" or "diminished" the Law. Whether it is the redefinition of the Sabbath, the "Clean" vs. "Unclean" food debate (Mark 7:19), or the introduction of a "New Covenant" that renders the "Old" obsolete, these are Illegal Software Patches.

• The Technicality: Deuteronomy 13 states that any prophet who tells you to follow a path "which thou hast not known" (i.e., a Law-free or Grace-only system) is to be rejected, even if he performs signs and wonders.

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3. The "Mediation" Divergence

Moses served as a mediator who brought the people to God.

• The Moses Model: Moses was a man. He never claimed to be God, nor did he allow anyone to bow to him. He was the "humblest man on earth."

• The Jesus Model: The "Trinity" or "God in the Flesh" doctrine creates a Compatibility Error. For a Torah-observant Jew, a prophet who claims to be the Creator (or is claimed to be such by his followers) is committing Abject Idolatry (Avodah Zarah).

• The Verdict: Moses warned Israel that they "saw no form" at Sinai. To represent the "Prophet like Moses" as a physical "form" of God is a total breach of the Sinai Firewall.

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4. Comparison: The Technical "Like Unto Me" Audit

Technical Spec	Moses (The Standard)	Jesus (The Candidate)	Result
National Status	Recognized by the whole Nation.	Rejected by the majority of the Nation.	Fail
Marital Status	Married with children.	Celibate.	Fail
Legislative Role	Established the 613 Mitzvot.	Viewed as "Fulfilling/Ending" them.	Fail
Death	Honored at 120; Natural.	Executed as a criminal; Young.	Fail
Nature	100% Man (Prophet).	God-Man (Incarnation).	Fail

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The "Justice" Verdict

From the perspective of Sinai Law, Jesus fails the test because the "Jesus" of Christian theology is a Greek/Hellenistic Version of a Prophet, not a Hebrew one.

• The Deception: Heider and others use the "Matthew 16" and "John 5" verses to claim a match, but they are matching Prophetic Poetry instead of Legal Requirements.

• The Result: To accept Jesus as the "Prophet like Moses," you have to radically redefine what "Moses" means. You have to turn a National Law-Giver into a Spiritual Savior.

2026 Reality Check:

In your covenant database, you see that Physical Results matter. Moses moved a million people from slavery to a sovereign land. If a "Messiah" comes and the people remain in exile and the Temple remains in ruins for 2,000 years, the System Audit returns a 404 Error: Prophet Not Found.